I'm a newer player with less than 2m sp. So if this invalidates my opinion to you, please don't bother responding.

I'm somewhat casual, I suppose in that I don't get on the mic and play for hours with a team. Here's what I've noticed that's my primary gripe at the moment. I can live with not running Logi, as much as I hated to give it up. My problem is the primary deterrent from running full proto all the time is gone. There are people who were refunded billions of ISK.

Newberries like myself spawn in to play pub matches and we get proto-stomped into the ground as there are no checks on these older players. What's gonna happen at launch when we get X many more new people? Will it be easier because the player base will be larger, thus dispersing the high SP veterans over different matches? Or will they rain hate on them and scare them away?

Right now, someone with my SP and gear stands little to no chance against these full proto suits. I can kill them, sure. But if I'm ever in a close range firefight, I'm boned because of their gear. Every time. Now, don't tell me it's skill, because it's really not. If the teams are evenly matched, I do ok. Hell, I make top 3 almost every single time in BF3. It's not skill, I'm a good player.

I was just in two matches today where the other team was rocking full proto, all match long. I got a basic medium suit and a Gek. I love this game, it's just super unbalanced at the moment. You vets can defend the game all you want, stating that you've earned it this that or the other, but the bottom line is it's unbalanced and extraordinarily difficult for newberries to find enjoyment in the game due to the extreme SP disparity. I understand that this is a MMOFPSRPG or whatever. I get that gear is important. At a certain point however, that point is moot.

So, flame away. Tell me to "Adapt or die" but if you're not a newberry, you probably don't get it.

I, like the majority of this thread, simply disagree with you mate. I'm all for putting time in and getting somewhere but right now you simply don't understand the gear disparity by the new SP system as you're well beyond it.

Not being a ****, but you seem to be on a different wavelink than what this thread is attempting to say. I really don't care to get my ass handed to me over and over, that's not the issue. Not QQing about that. I'm talking about how newberries are regulated to these basic suits for the first month or so of gameplay. It's offputting and proto vets will **** you everytime, regardless to skill level. I get your points and I respect what you have to say, I just don't see the validity in it.

I already replied last page.

My point is, no matter how much you believe in what you're saying. End of the day, player retention will make or break this game. If there isn't enough money coming in, they won't bother losing money on server upkeeps. All I'm saying is make the roles more pronounced for nubs, right now a brand new player is more than 1.5m away from any role, and thats if they beeline for it and ignore all other skills.

We're talking months just to be able to play a class. That's the problem. Not to mention those months put in are of non-stop beatings in pubmatches. I get your point and all, and I respect you are where you are because you fought tooth and nail for it. I'm just saying we need something to keep people in the game. I like the game and i want it to last, don't you?

My gameplay isn't the issue, friend. I play well, I get kills and I do ok. That's not even remotely the problem. And I highly doubt a corp carrying me is the solution to this issue, it's deeper than that.

You're clearly in a different mindset, which while I appreciate isn't what I'm going for. I'd bet my bottom dollar that most newberries feel pretty much the same as I do. New blood is the life of a FPS and while I get what you're saying (Seriously, I really do) you just seem to be out of touch.

Really small changes can fix the issues I've brought up. I'm not asking to change the dynamics of the game, just asking for a little matchmaking or something to make the beginning a little less off putting to new players. I played before this patch and I liked the SP gains and the game just fine.

I don't know how to make it any more clear, 2m + several months to get in something beyond a basic suit is not only atrocious, but it's asinine. I'm clearly not gonna change your mind as much as you're not changing mine so let's just agree that we have different views on the matter.

Except the game is an SP sink now and it takes Tech 5 in faction dropsuit skill just to get into a suit. That's a big change dude, where are you?

As in previously it was all of 300k or less to get into a role suit, now it's well over 1.5 million.

With 5m sp, at least 3 times what I have and 10x what a newberry has. Try again please.

Nah man, I get what you're saying and all. I'm saying, compared to last build, it's an SP sink to get into a competitive suit. Tell me basic suits aren't trash and I'll tell you where I can find a crazy person.

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Sorry man, just not agreeing with you. Its not that I haven't played, or don't play correctly. I'm sure after a certain time/Sp is achieved I won't complain, but that still won't make it any easier on the new players.

Unfortunately I lack a mic for the PS3, so I'm really quite useless to corps as it stands.